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TheMosesPHD · Sep 02, 2006, 02:51 AM // 02:51

Well I'm pretty much done with this thread, but I'm still not certain about one part. I must've totally missed the sentences/posts that clarified it, though I've seen many people ask it and not get clear answers.

The question is:
If you buy the skill unlock pack, does it mean you can use the prophecies skills without buying prophecies, or do you still have to buy prophecies in order to use the skills that you unlocked?

It doesn't affect me personally, but if asked the question I'd like to be able to answer it. sry for missing the answer to this.

Fallen Hunter · Sep 02, 2006, 03:06 AM // 03:06

Really, i can't see the problem with this. IF you come along and buy all these skills, yes, you will be able to run any build. HOWEVER - does it really take long to set up a build? You dont take hundreds of skills into a battle with you - you only take 8. I reckon that a pvp/pve player could get 7 skills + and elite in under an hour, while a pvp only player could get them in under 1.5 hours. Does this really give you an edge? Spending alot of money just to save yourself a couple of hours of playing? It doesent give anyone an edge, they dont get some super powerful skill that only they can get, its basically just a way of saving time.

Also - dont complain about the price being too high, if it was any lower people would complain about it being too low and easy to buy. The price needs to be high, otherwise i could just buy all the skills without hurting my pocket. As it is, if i dont want to spend that extra time unlocking the skills I need, i can buy them but it still costs enough to discourage some people from buying it unless they really want to. Keep in mind they they have still worked for the money to buy the upgrade. I repeat It DOES NOT give them an advantage

Finally, ANET IS A BUSINESS
THEY NEED MONEY
I wish people would stop saying that A-Net does not care about its players, and that all they care about is money. Regardless of how much they care about their players, they still need money. Without this money, there is no guild wars.

shadowfell · Sep 02, 2006, 03:17 AM // 03:17

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Originally Posted by Toilet Monster

WDH??? all these NOOBS who can't unlock skills themselves are now able to spoil the game by buying their succes... ive unlocked EVERYTHING, i worked for it, its a status, now this status is for sale >.> i feel like i'm playing a CHEAP free crappy MMO for players that want to be good, but can't reach anything themselves.. GUILD WARS.. It was so nice.. WHY SPOIL THE ENTIRE PVP SYSTEM?? grr this is WRONG >.>

It is a requirement for some guilds, to be uax. And honestly, that is a good thing, before people complain about that. It showed, time, dedication, and the know how needed to unlock all of those skills, especially when you had used faction to do it. It was a status. It was like, "yay, i'm finally uax" and was kinda of fun looking through all the tabs at "unlocked, unlocked, unlocked" And I KNEW I worked hard in doing that. I do not care if this is a game, or not. Doing something to that point of completion is work. Even in games you have to work to get what you want, people.

Just pisses me off, about a week after I hit both uax and an emotable rank, they do this silly weekend and offer uas/uax for money.

Autumn_Leaf · Sep 02, 2006, 03:36 AM // 03:36

i wouldn't have such a problem with this except that that means since buying uas is optional, it will be expected from most pugs and guilds for the future to have uas, even more than it is now. people that want to be competitive and have a chance in the high end pvping will be paying 100+ dollars alone for the skills.

what i expect to come from later installments is to pick and choose skills and bundle as u wish and buy them that way. a "the more u buy, the more u save approach", to persuade players to buy more skills at once.

and i actually don't know if u can use all prophecie's skills if u only have factions, that's a very good question, anyone have an answer?

Gaile Gray · Sep 02, 2006, 03:43 AM // 03:43

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Originally Posted by TheMosesPHD

Well I'm pretty much done with this thread, but I'm still not certain about one part. I must've totally missed the sentences/posts that clarified it, though I've seen many people ask it and not get clear answers.

The question is:
If you buy the skill unlock pack, does it mean you can use the prophecies skills without buying prophecies, or do you still have to buy prophecies in order to use the skills that you unlocked?

It doesn't affect me personally, but if asked the question I'd like to be able to answer it. sry for missing the answer to this.

No problem, you may not have missed it so much as I did not make that answer clear. At this time, you must own Prophecies to purchase the PvP Unlock Pack (or PUP

). We're listening to players and their wishes and requests, and we may offer the PUP to non-Prophecies players in the future. It's important to remember that the PUPs will always be for the previous version(s) of the game, and never for the most recent.

TheMosesPHD · Sep 02, 2006, 05:09 AM // 05:09

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

No problem, you may not have missed it so much as I did not make that answer clear. At this time, you must own Prophecies to purchase the PvP Unlock Pack (or PUP

). We're listening to players and their wishes and requests, and we may offer the PUP to non-Prophecies players in the future. It's important to remember that the PUPs will always be for the previous version(s) of the game, and never for the most recent.

Ok then. Thanks for directly replying, Gaile. I was hopin ya would

That's about all I need to know then. I had first assumed that's how it worked but then I started to see people refer to this new feature while talking about past requests of PvP only version of the game, so I wasn't sure.

samifly · Sep 02, 2006, 05:24 AM // 05:24

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

No problem, you may not have missed it so much as I did not make that answer clear. At this time, you must own Prophecies to purchase the PvP Unlock Pack (or PUP

). We're listening to players and their wishes and requests, and we may offer the PUP to non-Prophecies players in the future. It's important to remember that the PUPs will always be for the previous version(s) of the game, and never for the most recent.

Wow...thats a bit overpriced. I had assumed that it was a PvP only version of GW. But 80 dollars...?

If I make a suggestion, offer a "deal" for UAS+Chapter for $50ish or so. $10 dollars for UAS if you buy the chapter at the same time. $80 is really steep for people wanting to start a couple of chapters down the road.

Alleji · Sep 02, 2006, 08:29 AM // 08:29

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Originally Posted by sykoone

I think it's a terrible idea. Now all the people who unlocked these skills the hard way are just out of luck. Either work to get the skills unlocked properly, or break out the credit card. Not fair, not right. Now PvP matches will be determined by who's got enough cash to buy their skills, rather than who's more skilled.

Rofl. As if anyone who's worth his salt in PvP isn't fully unlocked... or at least unlocked the skills that matter.

The whole idea looks pretty lame to me. Er, scratch that, looks *EXTREMELY* lame to me. It takes 1 plat to buy any skill you want. It takes 10-15 minutes to get 1k faction to unlock it. It takes 30 minutes at most to cap any elite, with a few exceptions. (FoC, SoD, RC, Eprod, a couple others in ring of fire)

More importantly, it's a part of the game. You're supposed to play in order to get your skills, not swipe your credit card for them. What's next anet? Selling an option to make a lvl 20 RP character? Perhaps with whole map explored? Oh and might as well break out that christmas special - selling KoaBD title? Or rank, perhaps? Hey, why not just buy a silver cape for your guild for $299.99?

Not to mention that I've been faction-capped for about 3 months now. If anet lets people buy skills for real money, why not at least let us trade in balth faction for in-game gold?

In summary, huge thumbs-down to anet. The store should be for items not available through gameplay. Like, extra char slots or extra storage.

EDIT: The prospect of anet selling rank reminded me of ebay. Yes, I agree that ebaying is cheating, but is creating competition for ebay really the way to deal with it? (especially when ebay is cheaper)

Stockholm · Sep 02, 2006, 04:41 PM // 16:41

This have nothing at all to do with the game.
It all comes down to NC-Soft taking a economic nosedive with some of the games under there umbrella, now they are trying to save what they can by selling everything possible, expect more and more in game items in the store untill Nightfall goes live.

Findariel · Sep 02, 2006, 04:53 PM // 16:53

Scenario: chapter 4 is released. New PvP player wants to start playing asap.

What's the options?

Buy all former chapters + buy all UAS packs + unlock runes/weapon upgrades
Buy all former chapters and spend a few 1,000 hours unlocking every chapter 1-3 skill + unlock runes/weapon upgrades

I'm not sure if fivefold balth faction wouldn't also have solved unlock issues?
For now and future chapters?
Why "pay more" as only solution?

Spike · Sep 02, 2006, 05:11 PM // 17:11

Since I not going to go read the past 23 pages of pvpers trying to justify this VERY bad idea. Gil pretty much said what I wanted to. Anet listens to those who moan and whine the loudest and longest IE pvpers. This is just YET more proof that pvp and pvpers RUIN games.

I'm wondering whats next UAX for PVE ? Lvl 20 RP characters with all missions done and 100% explored maps ?

Murchad · Sep 02, 2006, 05:39 PM // 17:39

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

UAX for PVP would be uneven for PVE characters who have to buy skills and capture new elites when the game is brand new just to compete with a PVP-only char's bigger cache of skills (which is the only advantage of making a PvP only character).

Get it?

The PvP char and the PvE char should be equal in competition. Even though they arent, I hope Anet continues striving to even it out.

So what are you going to do about all those people who are UAXed already? If the PvP and PvE chars should be equal, why isn't there the option to take 4 weapon+item combos or multiple armor sets so they can be swapped? Why do you think that skills should be earned. This is a game. I want to play, not work.

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

It's important to remember that the PUPs will always be for the previous version(s) of the game, and never for the most recent.

Just like you will NEVER offer UAS, right? What's being done to alleviate the concerns of the PvP crowd? Balthazar's Faction has proven to be entirely to slow for the casual PvPer.

Zehnchu · Sep 02, 2006, 05:44 PM // 17:44

Honestly I don’t see anything wrong with it, and it is exactly what people have been asking for. Anyone who has read a UAX/UAS thread knows this then with the opening of the online store and Anet asking what would people like to see in that store not to mention it being constantly spammed during Gaile’s chats. People act like they have been blind sided that they skill packs are being offered the same way character slots are offered. It’s not that they are being offered it that makes people mad it’s that you have to spend money when you expect it get for free. There’s two ways you are going to get a UAS and both are the same you are going to have to work for it, one is playing the game the other is that 8+ hour job.

You wouldn’t even see the doom and gloom if they put the UAS back in for free, you would be seeing “I Love U Anet” thread. The online store offers new avenues to both sides the company and gamers a game needs to expand to become better. And it all comes down to you, it’s either some things you are willing to buy or it’s not. What if they offered a limited edition GW game box, 100 bucks that included a UAX code for pvp again you would see no doom and gloom.

Even they sell mugs on the online store you will still see a 50 page doom and gloom about it.

Will the offering of to buy Nightfall from the online store also be doom and gloom thing?

Loviatar · Sep 02, 2006, 06:04 PM // 18:04

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Originally Posted by Murchad

Just like you will NEVER offer UAS, right? What's being done to alleviate the concerns of the PvP crowd? Balthazar's Faction has proven to be entirely to slow for the casual PvPer.

the casual pvp person has no need to unlock like a maniac

if you cant show me where i can buy UAS/FACTIONS i guess it isnt UAS yet is it?

maybe 1/2 UAS but that sure isnt the whole cake.

AND FOR THE PEOPLE YELLING UAX PLEASE SHOW ME THE RUNE/ITEM/WEAPON SECTION OR SHUT UP

Vel Satis · Sep 02, 2006, 06:51 PM // 18:51

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Originally Posted by Stockholm

This have nothing at all to do with the game.
It all comes down to NC-Soft taking a economic nosedive with some of the games under there umbrella, now they are trying to save what they can by selling everything possible, expect more and more in game items in the store untill Nightfall goes live.

Thats my take on it aswell. Their results are a sea of red and profits are looking like being 74% down on last year. Time to squeeze everything they can from all their franchises, especially with the auto-assault farce.

edit to add: Whatever their reasons for adding this option I think its an ok idea. For people new to the game it means they can at least be competitive in PvP with one or two characters straight away if they want to.

Gaile Gray · Sep 02, 2006, 06:54 PM // 18:54

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Originally Posted by samifly

Wow...thats a bit overpriced. I had assumed that it was a PvP only version of GW. But 80 dollars...? If I make a suggestion, offer a "deal" for UAS+Chapter for $50ish or so. $10 dollars for UAS if you buy the chapter at the same time. $80 is really steep for people wanting to start a couple of chapters down the road.

I will pass along the comments. It gets really confusing with "this game at this price, that game at that other price" and I think we want to keep the store fairly streamlined and simple, particuarly since we're dealing with a global player base and it's always good to keep things intuitive and basic so that language matters and payment protocols are clear. However, I'll share thought of price models from the players, to be sure.

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Originally Posted by Findariel

Why "pay more" as only solution?

There is no obligation to purchase the PUPs! You can buy, you can unlock as you desire. So "pay more" is not the only solution, by far!

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Originally Posted by Murchad

Just like you will NEVER offer UAS, right? What's being done to alleviate the concerns of the PvP crowd? Balthazar's Faction has proven to be entirely to slow for the casual PvPer.

Sorry, but I've read that just once too many times, and I'm tapped out. I hereby challenge you to find any time that I have said "Never" to the option of UAS. I'm sure I've said not likely, or perhaps, even, that I did not foresee it coming, but have I ever said "We will never offer UAS?" You're attributing that to me--to ArenaNet as a whole--and I really need to challenge you. If you decline to accept the request to back your words with proof, well, we all know what the means.

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Originally Posted by Zehnchu

Honestly I don’t see anything wrong with it, and it is exactly what people have been asking for.

Thank you, yes, provably, it is!

dreamhunk · Sep 02, 2006, 07:03 PM // 19:03

player base = dying = need income

chapter 1 = lots of money = no change to skills

pvp killing pve = player base = factions= bad sales= anets needs income

anet = store= skills to buy for pvp!!!! = income!!!!

no income = no game =no pvp

Time to pay the piper

frickett · Sep 02, 2006, 07:41 PM // 19:41

PVP skill unlocking keeps getting easier and easier. All of the elites you have captured with any of your characters are available for your pvp characters (profession permitting) but I have to recapture each one on a new character of that primary or secondary profession.
Things are easier for people who spend more money. Spend money and you dont have to play... Well I like playing, I will unlock them the old fashioned way. And that is fine with me.
You dont need all the skills to pvp, you only need 8. So I unlock the ones I want. (by farming balthazar faction with a different profession if I have to.) Then I rinse and repeat.

I think it is fine that pvp skills are available in the store. I wont buy them. But some people might. I think it is kind of like buying gold, but that is a fine line. I dont want to step on anyone's toes or anything. It is a bit like an fps. You start with a pistol... you play till you get a shot gun...then play some more for a grenade...etc. If you want to pay a bit extra to get all the guns/weapons, I think that is ok. But I use my pve characters to pvp, so remember I wont have as many skills unlocked as many of you do, so please be gentle, I dont have grenades or rocket launchers. But I have this mighty fine plasma rifle, and a light saber.

I don't agree with some of the pve'ers that think that pvp ruins the game. I am nearly completely a pve'er. I only ab or gvg or ha when my guild has someone not show up. But I think that we can coexist without being mean, or detrimental toward eachother. PVP can be fun. It just isnt my thing, and I can see why they want to have all skills available for their pvp characters. More options means more flexibility. I understand. I really do. I am just saying that I dont have that option with my pve characters, Ihave to spend 1k per skill. And not just once. Like for my warrior necro, I had most necro skills unlocked. I created a new necro/rit for factions and had to start unlocking all over again. Soon those skills were 1k per as well. So I dont have all my skills unlocked on any of my characters. But I will still try to be as competitive in pvp as I can be. (when my guild needs me)...

That is all for me on this one,
Fricket, signing off.

ChildeOfMalkav · Sep 02, 2006, 08:20 PM // 20:20

Anyway, I really think it's ridiculous that some of you always escalate this into a PVE vs PVE battle, going as far as flaming each other because of your preference and playstyle. It's just damn silly to have biases against each other like that.

xrazzzorx · Sep 02, 2006, 09:13 PM // 21:13

i love it...now all the noobs that are willing to pay will have all the damn skillz, less waiting for PUGs that never have the skillz, more opportunity for new players to get into pvp, AND best of all who doesnt want to pay or cant afford it DONT HAVE TO!

gratz anet for pleasing all sides and makin' sure everyone gets equal opportunity to own